The actual joint venture, said KONI secretary-general Djohar Arifin, is a raffle with prizes, not the kind of lottery run by MMI in Malaysia. On the proposal which clearly mentions a four-number lottery, according to press reports, Djohar disclaimed any knowledge. We know nothing about that lottery proposal, he told Wenseslaus Manggut of TEMPO, by telephone. Excerpts:

How did this cooperative venture with MMI become such a controversy?

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