USMAN Karin was the judge that upheld Probosutejos cassation appeal. Usman and Harini had known each other since they worked together in Yogyakarta in 1988. Harini, he said, frequently called Usmans house. But the calls were never put through. Mawar Kusuma of Tempo met with Usman at the Supreme Court on Friday, January 13, for an interview on this investigation. The following are excerpts:

In the decision that was leaked out, you upheld Probos app