+ Assalamualaikum, Pak Ali....
- Walaikumsalam.… Who’s this?

+ This is Yugha from Tempo. We sent a request for an interview. How about following it up?
- No way. Aduh...I don’t deal in cars anymore. I stopped one and a half years ago. I’ve learnt my lesson OK.”
+ Pak Ali is well then?
- “Yes, I’m well.…”

This short conversation took place on Tuesday afternoon last week. The man on the other end of the line was Ali Muhammad