OENTARTO Sindung Mawardi, 64, considers himself victimized in the case involving the procurement of fire engines which has led a number of provincial officials to end up in court. He has pointed to his former boss, ex-Home Affairs Minister Hari Sabarno, as the main man in the case. The following is Tempo’s interview two weeks ago with Oentarto, who holds a PhD in public policy from Harvard University.

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