“Sir, do you use rubber bullets?”

“No. If the people mess around, they could be shot.”

“Please, sir, don’t go to war with the people.”

“The bottom line, the people must not advance. They must turn back.”

This was a conversation between Sunaji and Kasari, two residents of the Alas Tlogo village, Lekok, and 12 members of the Marine Combat Training Center of Grati, Pasuruan, East Java, Wednesday morning last week. The two men a