Aris Junaidi likes to joke. The controversy over the killing of a serviceman Chief Sergeant Aliman in a shootout has not dimmed his sense of humor. Once his interrogation by Jakarta military police last week was over, he stopped by at TEMPO’s office for a chat.

Born in 1963 in Kudus, Central Java, Junaidi ‘clarified’ a little the sensational stories that hit the headlines last week. The murky affair involves alleged presidenti